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In the latest video from Leatherass, we are discussing a few troublesome hands which were provided to him by a decently skilled player. Enjoy the video & discuss!


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  • EuanM


    Enjoy the latest video from Dusty!

    In the hand re-player format, Dusty takes us through some trouble hands sent to him by a decent poker professional.

    Please leave any feedback or questions you have for "Leatherass" below.
  • BetPotBot


    Hi Leathererass,
    I really enjoyed watching this vid, thx a lot!
    Min50: I just wondered if u really think, that the hero(playing that tight,18/15)is able to represent mid-suited connectors, cause i would image that he never flats them sb vs co!?
    So i think he basically representing 5s-7s for value...is that a wrong conclusion?
  • BetPotBot


    sorry i meant 4s-6s :)
  • grrgrrbla


    @leatherass: really good video! loved your thought on raising the turn instead of raising the flop, i got a couple of questions on that subject:

    so would you be raising the turn with equal frequencies in position and out of position against someone who doublebarrels frequently? if not so how does being in/out of position change your frequencies? what flop/turn barreling frequency would you look for when deciding if you wanna raise turn (something like 70% flop cbet and 45/50% turn bet? how do you balance it? would you not raise the flop with any hand? would you raise the flop with hands like toppairtopkicker/gutshots? would you also raise the turn with gutshots or gutshot/oneover type hands? would you also raise the turn with toppairtopkicker oder toppairsecond kicker type hands?

    sorry if the questions are too vague, of course your opponents range and the board texture matters alot, but just in general i find it difficult to balance having a flop and turn raising range, also i would not want to raise the turn with a lot of my hands if villain is really barrelhappy on the river as well: i would call most of my draws because he would rep the cards that hit me and call my sets because i can checkraise rivers, so does villains riverbarrelingfrequency also affect your decision?
  • grrgrrbla


    just thought about it a little more, so you are advocating raising turns on boards that frequently get doublebarreled, like qtx two tone / 458 two tone (button vs small blind) / t83 / etc. so boards where your opponent expects you to raise most of your draws and strong hands on the flop and will perceive your calling range as beeing s weak: second pair / weak draws like gutshots / weak topcpairs etc. so whenever your opponents doublebarrelfrequency is very high on certain boards or in general and you have a hard time getting to showdown with your weak made hands you should slowplay and semibluff more and raise the turn and checkraise the flop more often with your weak made hands, i guess thats the idea?
  • fidelloz



    It would probably have been more interesting if you hide your opponents' cards (Diego's opponents)

    Nice production tho.
  • Leatherass9


    @betpot you make a good point here. Sets are certainly all in his range though, but I do agree that the villian in this hand may have trouble finding mid suited connectors in his range given the stats.
  • Leatherass9


    @grrr I think that a srong case can certainly be made against opponents you play against frequently that you will just want to wait for the turn with big hands as well. I don't think that you need to be overly concerned with balance here, but I do think that striving for it to some degree makes pretty good sense.

    Whenever considering the importantance of balance, simply think about how well YOU recognize whether someone is balanced in a certain spot. If you feel like you are not always perfectly aware if someone is balanced in a certain spot, then odds are they likely aren't locked in on it either, especially if your win rate is in the ball park of theirs. Lots of people get overly concerned with balance, but most people way over think that stuff in my opinion.
  • Leatherass9


    @grrr regarding your second question, again, it is important to put yourself in your opponents shoes. If for example you would bet a flop like 852 with a hand like qj and then if check called, bet a king on the turn and fold to a check raise without much thought, then chances are most of your opponents will as well. Even though they are repping very thin ranges here, it doesn't really matter if your opponent just folds anyway. Basically the idea is not to let your opponent simply represent the scare cards every single time when their opening ranges are super wide and they have what they are representing very infrequently. Just turn the tables on them from time to time. It doesn't need to be your default play, but certainly make it a part of your playbook.
  • mbml


    hi leatherass, question about AA vs JJ hand after villain coldcalls the 3bet on a J84s7s board.

    don't you think it's possible that he has a few combos of QQ/KK as well? Especially when hero is pretty nitty (20/16 stats in a 5max game and 18/15 in a 6max game). i think we might potentially be losing value vs those hands.

    Are we calling a half-pot bet on the river after checking bet the turn?
  • mbml


    and about the KJs on QT7s5 hand, are we really going to bet 80 into 132 and then call it off? I would estimate our equity to be around 30% when called, and in this case we have to call 290 more in a pot of 850 so we are not committed actually. I think we need to bet >100$ to commit ourselves.
  • mbml


    About the AA vs 66 hand on 352r94 board, SB vs UTG, don't you think c/c River is a good option? I seriously doubt you have anything worse than an Ace on the river after you shove since your flop and turn barreling range looks like sets, 66 and AX. When you bet the river, I think all one-pair hands fold and sets are likely to repop the Flop or Turn.

    If we check the river, someone may turn some TT type of hand into a bluff. how would you play your sets on the river anyway? c/c or c/f?
  • Fox128


    Dunno if this already came up, but throughout the whole video I was kinda confused:
    Why do you refer to Diego as "our opponent"? XD

    Other than that really nice vid!
  • Razorlight87


    Very good vid! Thx leatherass :)
  • SniffvsSnaf


    @13 yeahh that opponent stuff confused me too...

    Maybe its because Diego is of course one of our opponents :-) and Im pretty sure Letherass played him occiasionally...
  • JuiceQuadre


    +1 I would personally believe he has some QQ+KK in his range and also i dont think he has barely any 88 cold calling that 3bet oop. Ofc my assumptions might be wrong =)
  • Leatherass9


    mbml I think the river is a bit tricky on the AA hand no question. I don't think people are turning their TT type hands into bluffs as often as they probably should. If I thought that was highly likely from a particular opponent, then I think c/c is the best way to get value in this spot. Generally I am just going to bet for value here however.

    If I had a set here, gosh that would be sick! I think it would be pretty close and I think check/folding or check calling to those who can turn their hands into bluffs probably makes the most sense.
  • EverSteel


    Hey leatherass,

    12:10 if we check behind, what do we do on a blank river facing a bet? Cause if it was only a range of better hands that would call us on the turn, this very range is gonna also bet the river, isnt it?
  • Vice1


    At the 7:07 hand, you say a c/r is better than a donkbet. When villain checks back on the K high turn you can assume he hasn't got the Kx often here. therefore you have to have a villain that can thin valuebet.

    Also I was wonderin: what are we repping with a c/r? Should we play sets, KQ etc. also this way? Aren't we missing value by the hands that will check behind?