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    • dadgad
      dadgad
      Bronzo
      Presente da: 02-28-2010 Contributi: 15
      non fraintendetemi, non sto parlando o accusando la PR di trucchi, magheggi vari o di essere "rigged" ma come si fa a non notare che spessissimo ci sono mani tipo questa?
      in questa ho perso ma non è questo il punto; anche quando la mano mi è favorevole, spessissimo c'è una mano con out improbabili che danno un punto esagerato.

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      PokerStars Hand #128460596388: Tournament #1106415126, €0.91+€0.09 EUR
      Hold'em No Limit - Level I (10/20) [AAMS ID: M3AA31076E853CVR] -
      2015/01/11 18:48:51 CET [2015/01/11 12:48:51 ET]
      Table '1106415126 1' 3-max Seat #3 is the button
      Seat 1: federicobucc (750 in chips)
      Seat 3: costea52 (750 in chips)
      costea52: posts small blind 10
      federicobucc: posts big blind 20
      *** HOLE CARDS ***
      Dealt to federicobucc [4s 2h]
      costea52: calls 10
      federicobucc: checks
      *** FLOP *** [Ts 2d 4c]
      federicobucc: bets 40
      costea52: raises 80 to 120
      federicobucc: raises 610 to 730 and is all-in
      costea52: calls 610 and is all-in
      *** TURN *** [Ts 2d 4c] [7s]
      *** RIVER *** [Ts 2d 4c 7s] [Kc]
      *** SHOW DOWN ***
      federicobucc: shows [4s 2h] (two pair, Fours and Deuces)
      costea52: shows [Tc Kh] (two pair, Kings and Tens)
      costea52 collected 1500 from pot
      *** SUMMARY ***
      Total pot 1500 | Rake 0
      Board [Ts 2d 4c 7s Kc]
      Seat 1: federicobucc (big blind) showed [4s 2h] and lost with two pair,
      Fours and Deuces
      Seat 3: costea52 (button) (small blind) showed [Tc Kh] and won (1500) with
      two pair, Kings and Tens
  • 10 risposte
    • dadgad
      dadgad
      Bronzo
      Presente da: 02-28-2010 Contributi: 15
      HH dell'ultim'ora, tutte le mani determinanti non solo mie( ma sopratutto)

      PokerStars Hand #128477834624: Hold'em No Limit (€0.01/€0.02 EUR) [AAMS ID: M3AA330108D1FFJW] - 2015/01/11 22:50:35 CET [2015/01/11 16:50:35 ET]
      Table 'Johanna III' 9-max Seat #1 is the button
      Seat 1: forexact74 (€1.29 in chips)
      Seat 2: CIand3stin0 (€1.29 in chips)
      Seat 3: fade2black84 (€2.95 in chips)
      Seat 4: cecchetto69 (€1.40 in chips)
      Seat 5: federicobucc (€1.41 in chips)
      Seat 6: 41berto (€2.31 in chips)
      Seat 7: Thukam (€2.84 in chips)
      Seat 9: kira827 (€2.03 in chips)
      CIand3stin0: posts small blind €0.01
      fade2black84: posts big blind €0.02
      *** HOLE CARDS ***
      Dealt to federicobucc [Ks As]
      cecchetto69: calls €0.02
      federicobucc: raises €0.04 to €0.06
      41berto: folds
      Thukam: folds
      kira827: folds
      forexact74: folds
      CIand3stin0: raises €0.04 to €0.10
      fade2black84: folds
      cecchetto69: calls €0.08
      federicobucc: raises €0.10 to €0.20
      CIand3stin0: calls €0.10
      cecchetto69: calls €0.10
      *** FLOP *** [Qd 6h 8d]
      CIand3stin0: bets €0.59
      cecchetto69: folds
      federicobucc: raises €0.59 to €1.18
      CIand3stin0: calls €0.50 and is all-in
      Uncalled bet (€0.09) returned to federicobucc
      *** TURN *** [Qd 6h 8d] [Ac]
      *** RIVER *** [Qd 6h 8d Ac] [7d]
      *** SHOW DOWN ***
      CIand3stin0: shows [Qh Ts] (a pair of Queens)
      federicobucc: shows [Ks As] (a pair of Aces)
      federicobucc collected €2.65 from pot
      *** SUMMARY ***
      Total pot €2.80 | Rake €0.15
      Board [Qd 6h 8d Ac 7d]
      Seat 1: forexact74 (button) folded before Flop (didn't bet)
      Seat 2: CIand3stin0 (small blind) showed [Qh Ts] and lost with a pair of Queens
      Seat 3: fade2black84 (big blind) folded before Flop
      Seat 4: cecchetto69 folded on the Flop
      Seat 5: federicobucc showed [Ks As] and won (€2.65) with a pair of Aces
      Seat 6: 41berto folded before Flop (didn't bet)
      Seat 7: Thukam folded before Flop (didn't bet)
      Seat 9: kira827 folded before Flop (didn't bet)

      -----------------------------

      PokerStars Hand #128478305601: Tournament #1106687288, €0.91+€0.09 EUR Hold'em No Limit - Level I (10/20) [AAMS ID: M3AA31076EFB33JC] - 2015/01/11 22:58:17 CET [2015/01/11 16:58:17 ET]
      Table '1106687288 1' 3-max Seat #2 is the button
      Seat 2: lumafrasima (1020 in chips)
      Seat 3: federicobucc (480 in chips)
      lumafrasima: posts small blind 10
      federicobucc: posts big blind 20
      *** HOLE CARDS ***
      Dealt to federicobucc [Kd 8c]
      lumafrasima: calls 10
      federicobucc: checks
      *** FLOP *** [8d Ks 2d]
      federicobucc: bets 40
      lumafrasima: raises 40 to 80
      federicobucc: raises 380 to 460 and is all-in
      lumafrasima: calls 380
      *** TURN *** [8d Ks 2d] [Qc]
      *** RIVER *** [8d Ks 2d Qc] [Js]
      *** SHOW DOWN ***
      federicobucc: shows [Kd 8c] (two pair, Kings and Eights)
      lumafrasima: shows [Qs Qh] (three of a kind, Queens)
      lumafrasima collected 960 from pot
      federicobucc finished the tournament in 2nd place
      lumafrasima wins the tournament and receives €2.00 - congratulations!
      *** SUMMARY ***
      Total pot 960 | Rake 0
      Board [8d Ks 2d Qc Js]
      Seat 2: lumafrasima (button) (small blind) showed [Qs Qh] and won (960) with three of a kind, Queens
      Seat 3: federicobucc (big blind) showed [Kd 8c] and lost with two pair, Kings and Eights

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      PokerStars Hand #128478588855: Tournament #1106690508, €0.91+€0.09 EUR Hold'em No Limit - Level I (10/20) [AAMS ID: M3AA31076EFC9FLW] - 2015/01/11 23:03:01 CET [2015/01/11 17:03:01 ET]
      Table '1106690508 1' 3-max Seat #1 is the button
      Seat 1: federicobucc (390 in chips)
      Seat 2: fuedy (480 in chips)
      Seat 3: crisax (630 in chips)
      fuedy: posts small blind 10
      crisax: posts big blind 20
      *** HOLE CARDS ***
      Dealt to federicobucc [Qd Qc]
      federicobucc: raises 40 to 60
      fuedy: raises 420 to 480 and is all-in
      crisax: folds
      federicobucc: calls 330 and is all-in
      Uncalled bet (90) returned to fuedy
      *** FLOP *** [2c 6d 2s]
      *** TURN *** [2c 6d 2s] [5h]
      *** RIVER *** [2c 6d 2s 5h] [8s]
      *** SHOW DOWN ***
      fuedy: shows [As Qh] (a pair of Deuces)
      federicobucc: shows [Qd Qc] (two pair, Queens and Deuces)
      federicobucc collected 800 from pot
      *** SUMMARY ***
      Total pot 800 | Rake 0
      Board [2c 6d 2s 5h 8s]
      Seat 1: federicobucc (button) showed [Qd Qc] and won (800) with two pair, Queens and Deuces
      Seat 2: fuedy (small blind) showed [As Qh] and lost with a pair of Deuces
      Seat 3: crisax (big blind) folded before Flop

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      PokerStars Hand #128479283748: Tournament #1106698951, €0.91+€0.09 EUR Hold'em No Limit - Level II (15/30) [AAMS ID: M3AA31076F006ELE] - 2015/01/11 23:12:28 CET [2015/01/11 17:12:28 ET]
      Table '1106698951 1' 3-max Seat #3 is the button
      Seat 1: do-al813 (740 in chips)
      Seat 2: federicobucc (370 in chips)
      Seat 3: superbabsi (390 in chips)
      do-al813: posts small blind 15
      federicobucc: posts big blind 30
      *** HOLE CARDS ***
      Dealt to federicobucc [5h 8d]
      superbabsi: calls 30
      do-al813: calls 15
      federicobucc: checks
      *** FLOP *** [4h 6d 7h]
      do-al813: bets 30
      federicobucc: raises 150 to 180
      superbabsi: folds
      do-al813: calls 150
      *** TURN *** [4h 6d 7h] [Td]
      do-al813: bets 30
      federicobucc: raises 130 to 160 and is all-in
      do-al813: calls 130
      *** RIVER *** [4h 6d 7h Td] [6h]
      *** SHOW DOWN ***
      do-al813: shows [Th Qh] (a flush, Queen high)
      federicobucc: shows [5h 8d] (a straight, Four to Eight)
      do-al813 collected 770 from pot
      federicobucc finished the tournament in 3rd place
      *** SUMMARY ***
      Total pot 770 | Rake 0
      Board [4h 6d 7h Td 6h]
      Seat 1: do-al813 (small blind) showed [Th Qh] and won (770) with a flush, Queen high
      Seat 2: federicobucc (big blind) showed [5h 8d] and lost with a straight, Four to Eight
      Seat 3: superbabsi (button) folded on the Flop

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      PokerStars Hand #128479947594: Tournament #1106706272, €0.91+€0.09 EUR Hold'em No Limit - Level III (20/40) [AAMS ID: M3AA31076F03CEJT] - 2015/01/11 23:21:37 CET [2015/01/11 17:21:37 ET]
      Table '1106706272 1' 3-max Seat #1 is the button
      Seat 1: federicobucc (355 in chips)
      Seat 2: tumipiaci (745 in chips)
      Seat 3: sabit577 (400 in chips)
      tumipiaci: posts small blind 20
      sabit577: posts big blind 40
      *** HOLE CARDS ***
      Dealt to federicobucc [9d 5h]
      federicobucc: folds
      tumipiaci: raises 705 to 745 and is all-in
      sabit577: calls 360 and is all-in
      Uncalled bet (345) returned to tumipiaci
      *** FLOP *** [4s Jh Th]
      *** TURN *** [4s Jh Th] [Jd]
      *** RIVER *** [4s Jh Th Jd] [3c]
      *** SHOW DOWN ***
      tumipiaci: shows [8h 9h] (a pair of Jacks)
      sabit577: shows [Js Tc] (a full house, Jacks full of Tens)
      sabit577 collected 800 from pot
      *** SUMMARY ***
      Total pot 800 | Rake 0
      Board [4s Jh Th Jd 3c]
      Seat 1: federicobucc (button) folded before Flop (didn't bet)
      Seat 2: tumipiaci (small blind) showed [8h 9h] and lost with a pair of Jacks
      Seat 3: sabit577 (big blind) showed [Js Tc] and won (800) with a full house, Jacks full of Tens
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      PokerStars Hand #128480037139: Tournament #1106706272, €0.91+€0.09 EUR Hold'em No Limit - Level III (20/40) [AAMS ID: M3AA31076F03CEJT] - 2015/01/11 23:22:52 CET [2015/01/11 17:22:52 ET]
      Table '1106706272 1' 3-max Seat #3 is the button
      Seat 1: federicobucc (335 in chips)
      Seat 3: sabit577 (1165 in chips)
      sabit577: posts small blind 20
      federicobucc: posts big blind 40
      *** HOLE CARDS ***
      Dealt to federicobucc [Qh Qc]
      sabit577: raises 40 to 80
      federicobucc: raises 255 to 335 and is all-in
      sabit577: calls 255
      *** FLOP *** [8d 3d As]
      *** TURN *** [8d 3d As] [4s]
      *** RIVER *** [8d 3d As 4s] [7c]
      *** SHOW DOWN ***
      federicobucc: shows [Qh Qc] (a pair of Queens)
      sabit577: shows [Ah Ac] (three of a kind, Aces)
      sabit577 collected 670 from pot
      federicobucc finished the tournament in 2nd place
      sabit577 wins the tournament and receives €2.00 - congratulations!
      *** SUMMARY ***
      Total pot 670 | Rake 0
      Board [8d 3d As 4s 7c]
      Seat 1: federicobucc (big blind) showed [Qh Qc] and lost with a pair of Queens
      Seat 3: sabit577 (button) (small blind) showed [Ah Ac] and won (670) with three of a kind, Aces
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      PokerStars Hand #128480680254: Tournament #1106720372, €0.91+€0.09 EUR Hold'em No Limit - Level II (15/30) [AAMS ID: M3AA31076F1062CK] - 2015/01/11 23:32:05 CET [2015/01/11 17:32:05 ET]
      Table '1106720372 1' 3-max Seat #3 is the button
      Seat 2: federicobucc (560 in chips)
      Seat 3: pasini62 (940 in chips)
      pasini62: posts small blind 15
      federicobucc: posts big blind 30
      *** HOLE CARDS ***
      Dealt to federicobucc [Ac Jc]
      pasini62: raises 30 to 60
      federicobucc: raises 120 to 180
      pasini62: raises 180 to 360
      federicobucc: raises 200 to 560 and is all-in
      pasini62: calls 200
      *** FLOP *** [3h 5s As]
      *** TURN *** [3h 5s As] [9s]
      *** RIVER *** [3h 5s As 9s] [Ad]
      *** SHOW DOWN ***
      federicobucc: shows [Ac Jc] (three of a kind, Aces)
      pasini62: shows [Kd Kc] (two pair, Aces and Kings)
      federicobucc collected 1120 from pot
      *** SUMMARY ***
      Total pot 1120 | Rake 0
      Board [3h 5s As 9s Ad]
      Seat 2: federicobucc (big blind) showed [Ac Jc] and won (1120) with three of a kind, Aces
      Seat 3: pasini62 (button) (small blind) showed [Kd Kc] and lost with two pair, Aces and Kings
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      PokerStars Hand #128480951433: Tournament #1106720372, €0.91+€0.09 EUR Hold'em No Limit - Level III (20/40) [AAMS ID: M3AA31076F1062CK] - 2015/01/11 23:36:03 CET [2015/01/11 17:36:03 ET]
      Table '1106720372 1' 3-max Seat #2 is the button
      Seat 2: federicobucc (330 in chips)
      Seat 3: pasini62 (1170 in chips)
      federicobucc: posts small blind 20
      pasini62: posts big blind 40
      *** HOLE CARDS ***
      Dealt to federicobucc [Jd Kh]
      federicobucc: raises 290 to 330 and is all-in
      pasini62: calls 290
      *** FLOP *** [6s 6h 3c]
      *** TURN *** [6s 6h 3c] [Qd]
      *** RIVER *** [6s 6h 3c Qd] [2d]
      *** SHOW DOWN ***
      pasini62: shows [Ac Jc] (a pair of Sixes)
      federicobucc: shows [Jd Kh] (a pair of Sixes - lower kicker)
      pasini62 collected 660 from pot
      federicobucc finished the tournament in 2nd place
      pasini62 wins the tournament and receives €2.00 - congratulations!
      *** SUMMARY ***
      Total pot 660 | Rake 0
      Board [6s 6h 3c Qd 2d]
      Seat 2: federicobucc (button) (small blind) showed [Jd Kh] and lost with a pair of Sixes
      Seat 3: pasini62 (big blind) showed [Ac Jc] and won (660) with a pair of Sixes

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      PokerStars Hand #128481103084: Tournament #1106731652, €0.91+€0.09 EUR Hold'em No Limit - Level I (10/20) [AAMS ID: M3AA31076F1588NJ] - 2015/01/11 23:38:19 CET [2015/01/11 17:38:19 ET]
      Table '1106731652 1' 3-max Seat #2 is the button
      Seat 1: kairo1989 (480 in chips)
      Seat 2: federicobucc (540 in chips)
      Seat 3: rickyoro43 (480 in chips)
      rickyoro43: posts small blind 10
      kairo1989: posts big blind 20
      *** HOLE CARDS ***
      Dealt to federicobucc [3d 7s]
      federicobucc: raises 20 to 40
      rickyoro43: calls 30
      kairo1989: folds
      *** FLOP *** [8c 7d 7c]
      rickyoro43: checks
      federicobucc: bets 100
      rickyoro43: calls 100
      *** TURN *** [8c 7d 7c] [As]
      rickyoro43: checks
      federicobucc: bets 300
      rickyoro43: raises 40 to 340 and is all-in
      federicobucc: calls 40
      *** RIVER *** [8c 7d 7c As] [3h]
      *** SHOW DOWN ***
      rickyoro43: shows [7h Ah] (a full house, Sevens full of Aces)
      federicobucc: shows [3d 7s] (a full house, Sevens full of Threes)
      rickyoro43 collected 980 from pot
      *** SUMMARY ***
      Total pot 980 | Rake 0
      Board [8c 7d 7c As 3h]
      Seat 1: kairo1989 (big blind) folded before Flop
      Seat 2: federicobucc (button) showed [3d 7s] and lost with a full house, Sevens full of Threes
      Seat 3: rickyoro43 (small blind) showed [7h Ah] and won (980) with a full house, Sevens full of Aces

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      PokerStars Hand #128481160520: Tournament #1106731652, €0.91+€0.09 EUR Hold'em No Limit - Level I (10/20) [AAMS ID: M3AA31076F1588NJ] - 2015/01/11 23:39:10 CET [2015/01/11 17:39:10 ET]
      Table '1106731652 1' 3-max Seat #1 is the button
      Seat 1: kairo1989 (450 in chips)
      Seat 2: federicobucc (70 in chips)
      Seat 3: rickyoro43 (980 in chips)
      federicobucc: posts small blind 10
      rickyoro43: posts big blind 20
      *** HOLE CARDS ***
      Dealt to federicobucc [Td As]
      kairo1989: folds
      federicobucc: raises 50 to 70 and is all-in
      rickyoro43: calls 50
      *** FLOP *** [4c 5d 5h]
      *** TURN *** [4c 5d 5h] [2c]
      *** RIVER *** [4c 5d 5h 2c] [Js]
      *** SHOW DOWN ***
      federicobucc: shows [Td As] (a pair of Fives)
      rickyoro43: shows [Qd Ad] (a pair of Fives - Ace+Queen kicker)
      rickyoro43 collected 140 from pot
      federicobucc finished the tournament in 3rd place
      *** SUMMARY ***
      Total pot 140 | Rake 0
      Board [4c 5d 5h 2c Js]
      Seat 1: kairo1989 (button) folded before Flop (didn't bet)
      Seat 2: federicobucc (small blind) showed [Td As] and lost with a pair of Fives
      Seat 3: rickyoro43 (big blind) showed [Qd Ad] and won (140) with a pair of Fives

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    • dalborgo
      dalborgo
      Bronzo
      Presente da: 08-13-2010 Contributi: 15.623
      Si ha la certezza che vinca la mano migliore solo quando l'avversario è allo zero percento di equity. Queste sono le regole del gioco e della matematica. Poi che ti battano con punti esagerati o meno non è che cambi molto...i punti sono quelli. L'importante è che mi venga garantito che il mio 66 batta AA una volta su 5, poi che lo faccia con poker o con tris mi cambia poco.
    • dadgad
      dadgad
      Bronzo
      Presente da: 02-28-2010 Contributi: 15
      sono d'accordo con te, dalborgo, ma io parlavo d'altro.
      magari si tratta solo di un (lungo) periodo di varianza negativa con relativo tilt che mi fa vedere cose che non esistono o che comunque rientrano nella normalità delle statistiche.
      buone cose
      f.
    • dalborgo
      dalborgo
      Bronzo
      Presente da: 08-13-2010 Contributi: 15.623
      L'originale di dadgad
      sono d'accordo con te, dalborgo, ma io parlavo d'altro.
      Cosa?
    • gallodj
      gallodj
      Bronzo
      Presente da: 09-01-2011 Contributi: 7
      Che differenza c'è tra poker e pokémon zaffiro?
      grazie in anticipo
    • dadgad
      dadgad
      Bronzo
      Presente da: 02-28-2010 Contributi: 15
      parlavo di mani improbabili e non di statistiche e matematica. in ogni caso sto attraversando un periodo davvero strano dal punto di vista della matematica e dura da circa tre anni e, francamente, qualche dubbio* sul random della distribuzione mi è venuto.
    • meriuc90
      meriuc90
      Bronzo
      Presente da: 03-04-2014 Contributi: 202
      L'originale di gallodj
      Che differenza c'è tra poker e pokémon zaffiro?
      grazie in anticipo
      Non è la prima volta che posti stronzate senza senso bhoo
    • dadgad
      dadgad
      Bronzo
      Presente da: 02-28-2010 Contributi: 15
      random?
      queste sono tutte le mani determinanti e sono solo quelle di ieri e le ultime tre di oggi.
      ne ho altre 120 in sequenza; non ho scelto quelle " particolari",sono tutte, anche quelle in cui ho vinto.

      @per i moderatori:
      alla fine delle HH copincollate la buona ragione per bannarmi.



      PokerStars Hand #128639423025: Tournament #1109515396, €0.91+€0.09 EUR Hold'em No Limit - Level I (10/20) [AAMS ID: M3AA610773CF63IW] - 2015/01/14 19:26:34 CET [2015/01/14 13:26:34 ET]
      Table '1109515396 1' 3-max Seat #1 is the button
      Seat 1: pattacca82 (500 in chips)
      Seat 2: Reserves89 (500 in chips)
      Seat 3: federicobucc (500 in chips)
      Reserves89: posts small blind 10
      federicobucc: posts big blind 20
      *** HOLE CARDS ***
      Dealt to federicobucc [Ah Qd]
      pattacca82: raises 80 to 100
      Reserves89: raises 400 to 500 and is all-in
      federicobucc: calls 480 and is all-in
      pattacca82: folds
      *** FLOP *** [Jc 4d 3s]
      *** TURN *** [Jc 4d 3s] [4s]
      *** RIVER *** [Jc 4d 3s 4s] [2c]
      *** SHOW DOWN ***
      Reserves89: shows [Jd 3c] (two pair, Jacks and Fours)
      federicobucc: shows [Ah Qd] (a pair of Fours)
      Reserves89 collected 1100 from pot
      federicobucc finished the tournament in 3rd place
      *** SUMMARY ***
      Total pot 1100 | Rake 0
      Board [Jc 4d 3s 4s 2c]
      Seat 1: pattacca82 (button) folded before Flop
      Seat 2: Reserves89 (small blind) showed [Jd 3c] and won (1100) with two pair, Jacks and Fours
      Seat 3: federicobucc (big blind) showed [Ah Qd] and lost with a pair of Fours

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      PokerStars Hand #128640336822: Tournament #1109520724, €0.91+€0.09 EUR Hold'em No Limit - Level IV (30/60) [AAMS ID: M3AA610773D21BOU] - 2015/01/14 19:41:02 CET [2015/01/14 13:41:02 ET]
      Table '1109520724 1' 3-max Seat #3 is the button
      Seat 2: federicobucc (680 in chips)
      Seat 3: gioblack69 (820 in chips)
      gioblack69: posts small blind 30
      federicobucc: posts big blind 60
      *** HOLE CARDS ***
      Dealt to federicobucc [Ac Qd]
      gioblack69: raises 760 to 820 and is all-in
      federicobucc: calls 620 and is all-in
      Uncalled bet (140) returned to gioblack69
      *** FLOP *** [Jd 3d 7c]
      *** TURN *** [Jd 3d 7c] [6d]
      *** RIVER *** [Jd 3d 7c 6d] [5h]
      *** SHOW DOWN ***
      federicobucc: shows [Ac Qd] (high card Ace)
      gioblack69: shows [Jh 8s] (a pair of Jacks)
      gioblack69 collected 1360 from pot
      federicobucc finished the tournament in 2nd place
      gioblack69 wins the tournament and receives €2.00 - congratulations!
      *** SUMMARY ***
      Total pot 1360 | Rake 0
      Board [Jd 3d 7c 6d 5h]
      Seat 2: federicobucc (big blind) showed [Ac Qd] and lost with high card Ace
      Seat 3: gioblack69 (button) (small blind) showed [Jh 8s] and won (1360) with a pair of Jacks

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      PokerStars Hand #128640480669: Tournament #1109533244, €0.91+€0.09 EUR Hold'em No Limit - Level I (10/20) [AAMS ID: M3AA610773D813QJ] - 2015/01/14 19:43:14 CET [2015/01/14 13:43:14 ET]
      Table '1109533244 1' 3-max Seat #1 is the button
      Seat 1: federicobucc (500 in chips)
      Seat 2: 11yrc (500 in chips) is sitting out
      Seat 3: fabrybaa (500 in chips)
      11yrc: posts small blind 10
      fabrybaa: posts big blind 20
      *** HOLE CARDS ***
      Dealt to federicobucc [Th Ts]
      11yrc has returned
      federicobucc said, "maddaiiiiii...è finto"
      federicobucc: raises 50 to 70
      11yrc: folds
      fabrybaa: raises 430 to 500 and is all-in
      federicobucc: calls 430 and is all-in
      *** FLOP *** [7h 5c Ad]
      *** TURN *** [7h 5c Ad] [6d]
      *** RIVER *** [7h 5c Ad 6d] [4c]
      *** SHOW DOWN ***
      fabrybaa: shows [Ac 3h] (a straight, Three to Seven)
      federicobucc: shows [Th Ts] (a pair of Tens)
      fabrybaa collected 1010 from pot
      federicobucc finished the tournament in 3rd place
      *** SUMMARY ***
      Total pot 1010 | Rake 0
      Board [7h 5c Ad 6d 4c]
      Seat 1: federicobucc (button) showed [Th Ts] and lost with a pair of Tens
      Seat 2: 11yrc (small blind) folded before Flop
      Seat 3: fabrybaa (big blind) showed [Ac 3h] and won (1010) with a straight, Three to Seven

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      PokerStars Hand #128652866597: Tournament #1109734047, €0.91+€0.09 EUR Hold'em No Limit - Level III (20/40) [AAMS ID: M3AA610774394CQV] - 2015/01/14 22:42:03 CET [2015/01/14 16:42:03 ET]
      Table '1109734047 1' 3-max Seat #3 is the button
      Seat 2: cucciolo429 (805 in chips)
      Seat 3: federicobucc (695 in chips)
      federicobucc: posts small blind 20
      cucciolo429: posts big blind 40
      *** HOLE CARDS ***
      Dealt to federicobucc [Kd Ks]
      federicobucc: raises 80 to 120
      cucciolo429: raises 685 to 805 and is all-in
      federicobucc: calls 575 and is all-in
      Uncalled bet (110) returned to cucciolo429
      *** FLOP *** [Qd 6d Qh]
      *** TURN *** [Qd 6d Qh] [7d]
      *** RIVER *** [Qd 6d Qh 7d] [2d]
      *** SHOW DOWN ***
      cucciolo429: shows [Ad 7s] (a flush, Ace high)
      federicobucc: shows [Kd Ks] (a flush, King high)
      cucciolo429 collected 1390 from pot
      federicobucc finished the tournament in 2nd place
      cucciolo429 wins the tournament and receives €6.00 - congratulations!
      *** SUMMARY ***
      Total pot 1390 | Rake 0
      Board [Qd 6d Qh 7d 2d]
      Seat 2: cucciolo429 (big blind) showed [Ad 7s] and won (1390) with a flush, Ace high
      Seat 3: federicobucc (button) (small blind) showed [Kd Ks] and lost with a flush, King high

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      PokerStars Hand #128768686750: Tournament #1111892532, €0.91+€0.09 EUR Hold'em No Limit - Level II (15/30) [AAMS ID: M3AA810777C7A1GJ] - 2015/01/16 22:27:19 CET [2015/01/16 16:27:19 ET]
      Table '1111892532 1' 3-max Seat #1 is the button
      Seat 1: federicobucc (360 in chips)
      Seat 2: robertina87 (755 in chips)
      Seat 3: vincechi66 (385 in chips)
      robertina87: posts small blind 15
      vincechi66: posts big blind 30
      *** HOLE CARDS ***
      Dealt to federicobucc [Kd Kc]
      federicobucc: raises 330 to 360 and is all-in
      robertina87: raises 395 to 755 and is all-in
      vincechi66: folds
      Uncalled bet (395) returned to robertina87
      *** FLOP *** [5d Ac Th]
      *** TURN *** [5d Ac Th] [6s]
      *** RIVER *** [5d Ac Th 6s] [4d]
      *** SHOW DOWN ***
      robertina87: shows [7c As] (a pair of Aces)
      federicobucc: shows [Kd Kc] (a pair of Kings)
      robertina87 collected 750 from pot
      federicobucc finished the tournament in 3rd place
      *** SUMMARY ***
      Total pot 750 | Rake 0
      Board [5d Ac Th 6s 4d]
      Seat 1: federicobucc (button) showed [Kd Kc] and lost with a pair of Kings
      Seat 2: robertina87 (small blind) showed [7c As] and won (750) with a pair of Aces
      Seat 3: vincechi66 (big blind) folded before Flop

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      questa è stupenda!
      due mani consecutive, la prima split, la seconda fuori:

      PokerStars Hand #128769004601: Tournament #1111900169, €0.91+€0.09 EUR Hold'em No Limit - Level II (15/30) [AAMS ID: M3AA810777CB6CRP] - 2015/01/16 22:31:58 CET [2015/01/16 16:31:58 ET]
      Table '1111900169 1' 3-max Seat #2 is the button
      Seat 1: federicobucc (465 in chips)
      Seat 2: Roluptake (250 in chips)
      Seat 3: doctorluk (785 in chips)
      doctorluk: posts small blind 15
      federicobucc: posts big blind 30
      *** HOLE CARDS ***
      Dealt to federicobucc [Ac Kd]
      Roluptake: calls 30
      doctorluk: raises 150 to 180
      federicobucc: raises 285 to 465 and is all-in
      Roluptake: folds
      doctorluk: calls 285
      *** FLOP *** [4c 7d 5h]
      *** TURN *** [4c 7d 5h] [9s]
      *** RIVER *** [4c 7d 5h 9s] [9c]
      *** SHOW DOWN ***
      doctorluk: shows [As Kc] (a pair of Nines)
      federicobucc: shows [Ac Kd] (a pair of Nines)
      doctorluk collected 480 from pot
      federicobucc collected 480 from pot
      *** SUMMARY ***
      Total pot 960 | Rake 0
      Board [4c 7d 5h 9s 9c]
      Seat 1: federicobucc (big blind) showed [Ac Kd] and won (480) with a pair of Nines
      Seat 2: Roluptake (button) folded before Flop
      Seat 3: doctorluk (small blind) showed [As Kc] and won (480) with a pair of Nines

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      PokerStars Hand #128769026763: Tournament #1111900169, €0.91+€0.09 EUR Hold'em No Limit - Level II (15/30) [AAMS ID: M3AA810777CB6CRP] - 2015/01/16 22:32:18 CET [2015/01/16 16:32:18 ET]
      Table '1111900169 1' 3-max Seat #3 is the button
      Seat 1: federicobucc (480 in chips)
      Seat 2: Roluptake (220 in chips)
      Seat 3: doctorluk (800 in chips)
      federicobucc: posts small blind 15
      Roluptake: posts big blind 30
      *** HOLE CARDS ***
      Dealt to federicobucc [Jh Qs]
      doctorluk: raises 30 to 60
      federicobucc: calls 45
      Roluptake: calls 30
      *** FLOP *** [Th 9s Kd]
      federicobucc: bets 180
      Roluptake: folds
      doctorluk: raises 540 to 720
      federicobucc: calls 240 and is all-in
      Uncalled bet (300) returned to doctorluk
      *** TURN *** [Th 9s Kd] [9d]
      *** RIVER *** [Th 9s Kd 9d] [Ac]
      *** SHOW DOWN ***
      federicobucc: shows [Jh Qs] (a straight, Ten to Ace)
      doctorluk: shows [9c Kh] (a full house, Nines full of Kings)
      doctorluk collected 1020 from pot
      federicobucc finished the tournament in 3rd place
      *** SUMMARY ***
      Total pot 1020 | Rake 0
      Board [Th 9s Kd 9d Ac]
      Seat 1: federicobucc (small blind) showed [Jh Qs] and lost with a straight, Ten to Ace
      Seat 2: Roluptake (big blind) folded on the Flop
      Seat 3: doctorluk (button) showed [9c Kh] and won (1020) with a full house, Nines full of Kings

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      random un cazzo! altro che qualche dubbio.
      perchè PS mi fa perdere? perchè proprio me o quelli come me?
      è semplicissimo: PS vive e vegeta grazie ai soldi che carichiamo. se giochiamo fuori BR, inteso che i 100 euro li teniamo nella scatoletta a casa e carichiamo 20 euri per volta, il sistema fa in modo che ricarichi più in fretta possibile fino a prosciugarti. appena rimedio altri soldi faccio la prova caricando tutto il BR.

      il test è finito.
      se sostieni che la distribuzione su PS , almeno negli spin & go, sia casuale o sei un coglione o sei un colluso.punto.
    • dalborgo
      dalborgo
      Bronzo
      Presente da: 08-13-2010 Contributi: 15.623
      Non ha molto senso. Se perdi te, vuol dire che vince qualcun altro.

      Quindi non vedo perché non dovresti essere te quell'altro vincente. Perchè devi perdere te e non vincere te? Non ha senso. Chi è quell'altro che vince? Il più figo della covata?

      I soldi che hai perso, li ha vinti quell'altro. Perché il software vorrebbe vedere felice quell'altro e scontento te? Non ha senso. Non gli hai fatto niente e quell'altro non ha fatto niente per meritarsi dei simili privilegi. E' da anni che sono qui e nessuno è mai venuto a dirci che vince troppo! Ma come è possibile? Tutti scontenti! Ma per uno che viene scoppiatto ce ne è un altro che vince! E quell'altro chi è? Un giocatore normale o un robot? Se fosse un robot non le metterebbe da dietro per farti incazzare. Le metterebbe sempre dal davanti per tenerti quieto.

      Se tu perdi soldi questi non spariscono, vanno nelle tasche di quell'altro. Il software non gode di più se ricarichi te piuttosto di quell'altro. Se vincevi te ricaricava quell'altro e tra l'altro non hanno garanzia che un giocatore finiti i soldi ricarichi. Ti hanno mai costretto a buttare dentro i soldi? E' una tua scelta, sei libero di non ricaricare. Non fanno affidamento sui soldi delle ricariche altrimenti chiuderebbero dopo 1 mese. Guadagnano con la mole di gioco, più giochi e più guadagnano. Hanno tutti gli interessi a non farti stufare e ti lasciano la libertà di segliere quando non finanziarli più, semplicemente smettendo di giocare.

      Quindi ti sconsiglio di fare test strambi con ricariche ad hoc. Vuoi sconfiggere il sistema? Non giocare! Se ricarichi quei soldi sono vincolati, prima di poter prelevare ti costringono a generare rake. Non ricaricare.

      L'originale di meriuc90
      L'originale di gallodj
      Che differenza c'è tra poker e pokémon zaffiro?
      grazie in anticipo
      Non è la prima volta che posti stronzate senza senso bhoo
      Peccato perché ha rovinato un thread sensato! :f_biggrin: :f_biggrin: :coolface:
    • dadgad
      dadgad
      Bronzo
      Presente da: 02-28-2010 Contributi: 15
      dalborgo, non è mia intenzione controbattere alle tue considerazioni in merito alla spinosa e dibattuta questione, non perchè non abbia argomenti ma per il semplice fatto che genereremmo un inutile flame. al 99% entrambi rimarremmo nelle nostre posizioni quindi la chiudo qui.
      grazie per non avermi bannato e per il consiglio di non fare ulteriori test, consiglio che non ascolterò :) in fondo i soldi sono miei. probabilmente il futuro test non darà risultati e/o prove tangibili che confermino le mie (strampalate?) teorie; in ogni caso, forse, scriverò qualcosa in merito.
      saluti
      federico